Comments on: The King of Pop Meets The King of Kings http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/ Daily Jesus - Holding Firmly To The Word of Life Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:08:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Judah's Daughter http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-179 Judah's Daughter Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:33:01 +0000 http://www.dailyjesus.info/?p=115#comment-179 I believe in Hell, as the Bible teaches four different words for Hell. Sheol and Hades are the same (Hebrew/Greek respectively) ~ this is where the rich man went and is today; the deepest abyss of Hades is Tartaroos where the angels who sinned in the days of Noah are incarcerated, and thus the demons called Legion begged Jesus not to send them to the abyss. The final Hell, for the beast, false prophet, Satan and all whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life is Geenna, the Lake of Fire. The definition of Geenna and the Biblical verses pertaining to it are where the worm does not die and there is no rest day or night, and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever. This is known as the second death; and all those in the second resurrection are destined for Geenna. Scripture references available upon request. God bless you, brother. What a post ~ I believe in Hell, as the Bible teaches four different words for Hell. Sheol and Hades are the same (Hebrew/Greek respectively) ~ this is where the rich man went and is today; the deepest abyss of Hades is Tartaroos where the angels who sinned in the days of Noah are incarcerated, and thus the demons called Legion begged Jesus not to send them to the abyss. The final Hell, for the beast, false prophet, Satan and all whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life is Geenna, the Lake of Fire. The definition of Geenna and the Biblical verses pertaining to it are where the worm does not die and there is no rest day or night, and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever. This is known as the second death; and all those in the second resurrection are destined for Geenna. Scripture references available upon request. God bless you, brother. What a post ~

]]> By: gatorwade http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-46 gatorwade Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:07:48 +0000 http://www.dailyjesus.info/?p=115#comment-46 I would say that I was not 100% sure what you were 'suggesting' on a few statements and if I misrepresented what you were saying on those points I apologize. I would say that I was not 100% sure what you were 'suggesting' on a few statements and if I misrepresented what you were saying on those points I apologize.

]]> By: gatorwade http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-45 gatorwade Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:06:25 +0000 http://www.dailyjesus.info/?p=115#comment-45 I appreciate the comment Mark. I'd like to correct a few statements though. 1. Where in Luke 16 does it say that Jesus is giving a parable? 2. Ecclesiastes 9:5 in context is talking about the 'dead' know nothing about worldly affairs any longer. This is mentioned again in Job 14 and Isaiah 63. 3. The statement that nobody is in heaven until Christ returns I'd like to know where you find that. One of the many verses found in scripture teach that after the death of a believer we are in the presence of Christ. (2 Cor. 5:8). Paul says a literal moment separation from our body and we are in Heaven. 4. Also I'm not sure what you mean by wages of sin is death, not everlasting life in hell. You quoted John 3:16 but the verse you started to quote is Romans 6:23. Are you denying a literal hell and that all are saved? Not sure what to make of that. The concept of hell was not invented by Catholics and adopted by Egyptians. It came from the very mouth of Jesus Christ on dozens of occasion. In fact the entire chapter of Matthew 25 is mostly the focus of the reality of a literal hell and place of eternal torment for those who did not make Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. 5. John 11 says nothing about what happened to Lazarus during his four days of death. So i will not answer that. But the fact that Jesus calls to Lazarus proves he did not know 'nothing' as someone dead. 6. Back to the belief that Luke 16 is a parable. First the Lazarus mentioned there and Lazarus in John 11 are two different Lazarus'. Jesus' close friends Lazarus, Martha, and Mary were actually well to do and the Lazarus in Luke 16 is clearly poor. On another note even though I do not believe Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable, but since you do let me suggest a few questions. To suggest that this is a parable and to believe that neither consciousness after death exists or that hell is real as you have implied then you are strongly suggesting that Jesus is teaching false doctrine to teach a truth. If you assume this is a parable (which i do not) you also though have to suggest that Jesus told parable to tell truth. Jesus is incapable of teaching false truth, which would be a lie. I do just disagree. I believe Luke 16 happened. The dead are fully aware of where they are after they die. The redeemed of the Lord do go to heaven after death and the unsaved face an eternity in a literal hell. I appreciate the comment Mark. I'd like to correct a few statements though.

1. Where in Luke 16 does it say that Jesus is giving a parable?

2. Ecclesiastes 9:5 in context is talking about the 'dead' know nothing about worldly affairs any longer. This is mentioned again in Job 14 and Isaiah 63.

3. The statement that nobody is in heaven until Christ returns I'd like to know where you find that.
One of the many verses found in scripture teach that after the death of a believer we are in the presence of Christ. (2 Cor. 5:8). Paul says a literal moment separation from our body and we are in Heaven.

4. Also I'm not sure what you mean by wages of sin is death, not everlasting life in hell. You quoted John 3:16 but the verse you started to quote is Romans 6:23. Are you denying a literal hell and that all are saved? Not sure what to make of that. The concept of hell was not invented by Catholics and adopted by Egyptians. It came from the very mouth of Jesus Christ on dozens of occasion. In fact the entire chapter of Matthew 25 is mostly the focus of the reality of a literal hell and place of eternal torment for those who did not make Jesus Christ Lord and Savior.

5. John 11 says nothing about what happened to Lazarus during his four days of death. So i will not answer that. But the fact that Jesus calls to Lazarus proves he did not know 'nothing' as someone dead.

6. Back to the belief that Luke 16 is a parable. First the Lazarus mentioned there and Lazarus in John 11 are two different Lazarus'. Jesus' close friends Lazarus, Martha, and Mary were actually well to do and the Lazarus in Luke 16 is clearly poor.

On another note even though I do not believe Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable, but since you do let me suggest a few questions. To suggest that this is a parable and to believe that neither consciousness after death exists or that hell is real as you have implied then you are strongly suggesting that Jesus is teaching false doctrine to teach a truth. If you assume this is a parable (which i do not) you also though have to suggest that Jesus told parable to tell truth. Jesus is incapable of teaching false truth, which would be a lie.

I do just disagree. I believe Luke 16 happened. The dead are fully aware of where they are after they die. The redeemed of the Lord do go to heaven after death and the unsaved face an eternity in a literal hell.

]]> By: Mark http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Mark Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:22:41 +0000 http://www.dailyjesus.info/?p=115#comment-44 Sorry to sound judgemental, but I don't know how you can build a belief on a parable. The dead do not know anything (Eccl. 9:5). No one goes to heave until Jesus returns, and the wages of sin is death, not everlasting life in hell (John 3:16). The Catholic church introduced this belief into Christianity. It was a pagan belief, especially of the Egyptians. They built caverns under the pyramids. Read John 11 and see what happens at death. Lazarus was dead 4 days when our Lord resurrected him. Was he in heaven or hell? Sorry to sound judgemental, but I don't know how you can build a belief on a parable. The dead do not know anything (Eccl. 9:5). No one goes to heave until Jesus returns, and the wages of sin is death, not everlasting life in hell (John 3:16). The Catholic church introduced this belief into Christianity. It was a pagan belief, especially of the Egyptians. They built caverns under the pyramids. Read John 11 and see what happens at death. Lazarus was dead 4 days when our Lord resurrected him. Was he in heaven or hell?

]]> By: Seth Kempf http://www.dailyjesus.info/when-the-king-of-pop-meets-the-king-of-kings/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Seth Kempf Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:57:48 +0000 http://www.dailyjesus.info/?p=115#comment-3 Need to come back to read this in fullness, but very thorough and helpful even through a skim! Need to come back to read this in fullness, but very thorough and helpful even through a skim!

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